So? - CSRNation2024-03-29T10:11:31Zhttp://csrnation.ning.com/forum/topics/1736041:Topic:1117290?commentId=1736041%3AComment%3A1120037&feed=yes&xn_auth=noIf you look at Rule 57 in Mor…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2010-01-06:1736041:Comment:11215942010-01-06T23:05:17.908ZKathy Warholahttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/KathyWarhola
If you look at Rule 57 in Morson's, it states that you never place a comma after "hence," "thus,"<br />
"so," and "yet" at the beginning of a sentence.
If you look at Rule 57 in Morson's, it states that you never place a comma after "hence," "thus,"<br />
"so," and "yet" at the beginning of a sentence. Rachel,
That exactly what do…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2010-01-05:1736041:Comment:11200372010-01-05T04:22:27.639ZLizBethhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/Liz32
Rachel,<br />
That exactly what do when working on transcription jobs. The speakers oftentimes just sort of trail off and a few seconds later a question is asked or something. Depending on the client, the transcript is either manually captioned or they use software to convert the transcript into captioning. The latter instance is usually where the instance arises because the captions aren't always timed very well.
Rachel,<br />
That exactly what do when working on transcription jobs. The speakers oftentimes just sort of trail off and a few seconds later a question is asked or something. Depending on the client, the transcript is either manually captioned or they use software to convert the transcript into captioning. The latter instance is usually where the instance arises because the captions aren't always timed very well. Rachel,
That is an EXCELLENT…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2009-12-30:1736041:Comment:11175302009-12-30T10:09:27.460ZJennie Annhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/Jennie
Rachel,<br />
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That is an EXCELLENT point, one which makes sense to me. Thanks for sharing that!
Rachel,<br />
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That is an EXCELLENT point, one which makes sense to me. Thanks for sharing that! Janiece,
I enjoy reading pos…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2009-12-30:1736041:Comment:11175292009-12-30T08:57:39.942ZJennie Annhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/Jennie
Janiece,<br />
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I enjoy reading posts about punctuation. Having surfed the Internet, I have been searching for a forum where I can feel comfortable discussing industry topics, like punctuation.<br />
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Since I do not work in-house with a crew of seasoned court reporters anymore, I miss networking with other like-minded folk.<br />
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I will never forget one deposition I had (daily copy) during the Clinton impeachment era for Senate. It was due at 7 a.m. in the morning to the court reporting company, so they could…
Janiece,<br />
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I enjoy reading posts about punctuation. Having surfed the Internet, I have been searching for a forum where I can feel comfortable discussing industry topics, like punctuation.<br />
<br />
Since I do not work in-house with a crew of seasoned court reporters anymore, I miss networking with other like-minded folk.<br />
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I will never forget one deposition I had (daily copy) during the Clinton impeachment era for Senate. It was due at 7 a.m. in the morning to the court reporting company, so they could deliver it on time to all parties.<br />
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Right at the beginning of this high-profile deposition of a well-known poltical figure, the lawyer said, "With the fourth estate not here, we can talk freely." Well, it was about midnight when I was transcribing this, and I had never heard of "fourth estate." I wasn't working in-house on this, and there was nobody to ask. I was afraid to insert "fourth estate," not having heard that term before.<br />
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So I turned the job in to the office at 6 a.m. the next morning, and I told the office manager that I left out a term in the beginning that sounded like "fourth estate." She hadn't heard of that either. I was thinking the lawyer misspoke.<br />
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The office manager asked a court reporter who happened to be in the office early if they had ever heard of that term, and, of course, she had. It means the press.<br />
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That is what I miss the most not working in-house, being able to ask questions and learn.<br />
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This forum provides a great opportunity to all its members for this purpose, and I intend to take advantage of it.<br />
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The one thing I have come to realize after 30-plus years of transcribing every single day -- well, almost every single day -- is that you never stop learning when it comes to producing a high-quality, comprehensive transcript.<br />
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I believe I am good at what I do, but I like to keep an open mind and continue to learn. This is exactly what separates the lions from the lambs in the court reporting and transcription racket.<br />
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Thank you, Janiece, for helping me learn too! Jennie,
Thank you for validat…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2009-12-30:1736041:Comment:11174952009-12-30T02:02:50.589ZJaniece Younghttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/JanieceYYoung
Jennie,<br />
Thank you for validating me on this one.<br />
I only use the ellipsis when they skip words on a quote too. I know some reporters use it in this instance where speakers trail off and I'm not saying I'm right but this way feels the best to me b/c nothing is missing. They just don't quite finish. It's like another thought is coming but it never gets said. It's just hanging there.<br />
Thanks,<br />
Janiece
Jennie,<br />
Thank you for validating me on this one.<br />
I only use the ellipsis when they skip words on a quote too. I know some reporters use it in this instance where speakers trail off and I'm not saying I'm right but this way feels the best to me b/c nothing is missing. They just don't quite finish. It's like another thought is coming but it never gets said. It's just hanging there.<br />
Thanks,<br />
Janiece I think the main reason I use…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2009-12-29:1736041:Comment:11174572009-12-29T23:32:10.898ZRachel Gardhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/RachelGard
I think the main reason I use the ellipsis, right or wrong, is so there's no confusion months or even years down the road when attorneys who were not present at the deposition are reading the transcript. If I used dashes, someone might think the questioner was interrupting the witness' answer when, in fact, that wasn't the case, which could create an issue in the future when an attorney tries to argue to the judge that the witness was being cut off. Maybe I'm being super paranoid, but that's my…
I think the main reason I use the ellipsis, right or wrong, is so there's no confusion months or even years down the road when attorneys who were not present at the deposition are reading the transcript. If I used dashes, someone might think the questioner was interrupting the witness' answer when, in fact, that wasn't the case, which could create an issue in the future when an attorney tries to argue to the judge that the witness was being cut off. Maybe I'm being super paranoid, but that's my reasoning (although admittedly it may be flawed) for doing it that way.<br />
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Rachel Keith, I do not use an ellips…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2009-12-29:1736041:Comment:11174542009-12-29T23:07:26.457ZJennie Annhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/Jennie
Keith, I do not use an ellipsis either, unless it is in quoted matter, like if somebody was reading an exhibit and left something out. Otherwise, I'm do the double hyphen for all breaks in thought and interruptions.<br />
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This is how I use the ellipsis:<br />
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Example: Abraham Lincoln said, "Four score and seven years ago, our fathers...on this continent a new nation."<br />
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However, if I was working for somebody who happened to like ellipses, I'd be using 'em left and right. LOL
Keith, I do not use an ellipsis either, unless it is in quoted matter, like if somebody was reading an exhibit and left something out. Otherwise, I'm do the double hyphen for all breaks in thought and interruptions.<br />
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This is how I use the ellipsis:<br />
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Example: Abraham Lincoln said, "Four score and seven years ago, our fathers...on this continent a new nation."<br />
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However, if I was working for somebody who happened to like ellipses, I'd be using 'em left and right. LOL I also use the dashes for thi…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2009-12-29:1736041:Comment:11174532009-12-29T22:51:33.294ZKeith Rowan IIhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/KeithRowanII
I also use the dashes for this and don't like the ellipses in transcripts, but I am a lowly student. Most of the people that have replied to the earlier discussions use the ellipses. I haven't converted to the dark side, yet at least. We'll see what happens when I am producing the TRIPTS. Either way, I would have a space before.
I also use the dashes for this and don't like the ellipses in transcripts, but I am a lowly student. Most of the people that have replied to the earlier discussions use the ellipses. I haven't converted to the dark side, yet at least. We'll see what happens when I am producing the TRIPTS. Either way, I would have a space before. YW, Jennie. I think you've go…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2009-12-29:1736041:Comment:11174522009-12-29T22:46:58.315ZKeith Rowan IIhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/KeithRowanII
YW, Jennie. I think you've got it. I don't particularly like the three commas in a row with that "hopefully," but technically it's correct, at least according to Morson's and any other source with which I am familiar.
YW, Jennie. I think you've got it. I don't particularly like the three commas in a row with that "hopefully," but technically it's correct, at least according to Morson's and any other source with which I am familiar. Janiece,
That is a tricky on…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2009-12-29:1736041:Comment:11174512009-12-29T22:45:45.024ZJennie Annhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/Jennie
Janiece,<br />
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That is a tricky one. I remember reading about it on this forum a short time ago, and it's another one of those style preferences. I am not sure if there is a right or wrong way to handle it.<br />
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Me personally, I do it EXACTLY the way you do, with "so" at the end, a space, and then the double hyphen, but here is how others handle it.<br />
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Example A. I was driving down the street, and I hit the car in front of me, so... [no space before ellipsis]<br />
Example B. I was driving down the street, and…
Janiece,<br />
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That is a tricky one. I remember reading about it on this forum a short time ago, and it's another one of those style preferences. I am not sure if there is a right or wrong way to handle it.<br />
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Me personally, I do it EXACTLY the way you do, with "so" at the end, a space, and then the double hyphen, but here is how others handle it.<br />
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Example A. I was driving down the street, and I hit the car in front of me, so... [no space before ellipsis]<br />
Example B. I was driving down the street, and I hit the car in front of me, so ... [space before ellipsis]<br />
Example C. I was driving down the street, and I hit the car in front of me, so . . . [spaces between each period in ellipsis]<br />
Example D. I was driving down the street, and I hit the car in front of me, so. [period at the end]<br />
Example E. I was driving down the street, and I hit the car in front of me, so-- [no space before double hyphen]<br />
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Janiece, I am curious about the first sentence in your post. Were you taught that the quotation mark goes inside the period? I have seen this style before with others too. I put the quotation mark outside the period. I guess it is how we were all taught to do it. There's another style preference, I guess. I would do it EXACTLY like you have it, if I was doing one of your jobs, Janiece. :-)<br />
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I think it was Marla of this forum who said that she follows only one reference, which is Merriam-Webster for her transcripts. I like Keith's Morson's reference book too.<br />
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These punctuation conundrums are what slows me down when I'm banging pages. Decisions, decisions, decisions.