Insulting! - CSRNation2024-03-28T09:01:09Zhttp://csrnation.ning.com/forum/topics/insulting?commentId=1736041%3AComment%3A1348754&feed=yes&xn_auth=noUnfortunately .25 per page pe…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2017-03-23:1736041:Comment:13516872017-03-23T21:33:10.670ZDavid Levyhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/DavidLevy
<p>Unfortunately .25 per page per copy has apparently been the accepted rate in NY for a number of years. With newer agencies that I start working for, I quote them higher copy rates. But the ones I've been working for in NY pay .25. And there are a few smaller agencies that don't pay for copy sales at all. </p>
<p>Now, you say, "Don't work for those agencies." But there just isn't enough work here for reporters to start cutting out agencies that they work for. Some of us are struggling…</p>
<p>Unfortunately .25 per page per copy has apparently been the accepted rate in NY for a number of years. With newer agencies that I start working for, I quote them higher copy rates. But the ones I've been working for in NY pay .25. And there are a few smaller agencies that don't pay for copy sales at all. </p>
<p>Now, you say, "Don't work for those agencies." But there just isn't enough work here for reporters to start cutting out agencies that they work for. Some of us are struggling really badly to stay above water. If it were they way it used to be, where there was more work than a reporter could handle, we could make demands. Right now here the advantage is with the agencies.</p> CRAZY. THEY DO NOT VALUE THE…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2017-03-19:1736041:Comment:13516472017-03-19T01:22:27.797ZLauren Tilburyhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/LaurenTilbury
<p>CRAZY. THEY DO NOT VALUE THEMSELVES OR THEIR PROFESSION. They should just go work at Taco Bell.</p>
<p>CRAZY. THEY DO NOT VALUE THEMSELVES OR THEIR PROFESSION. They should just go work at Taco Bell.</p> I am in NYC, and I do charge…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2017-02-07:1736041:Comment:13503582017-02-07T20:39:58.017ZTricia Annebidhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/pbidonde
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<p>I am in NYC, and I do charge more than that. Sadly not that much more. I would not work for those amounts, but that is the norm here for newer reporters.</p>
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<p>I am in NYC, and I do charge more than that. Sadly not that much more. I would not work for those amounts, but that is the norm here for newer reporters.</p> @Kelli - Lindsay is clearly s…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2017-01-13:1736041:Comment:13487752017-01-13T14:42:37.591ZCatuogno Court Reportinghttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/JamesLawton
<p>@Kelli - Lindsay is clearly saying more than that. She's suggesting that sharing information about lowballers in this highly fragmented, largely solo operated business is illegal, or potentially subject to antitrust measures. That is IMO a terribly misinformed opinion (sorry Lindsay).</p>
<p>Price fixing pertains to competitors who have clear control a market (major airlines, large energy companies, major retailers, etc.) who conspire to set prices in their primary markets.</p>
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<p>@Kelli - Lindsay is clearly saying more than that. She's suggesting that sharing information about lowballers in this highly fragmented, largely solo operated business is illegal, or potentially subject to antitrust measures. That is IMO a terribly misinformed opinion (sorry Lindsay).</p>
<p>Price fixing pertains to competitors who have clear control a market (major airlines, large energy companies, major retailers, etc.) who conspire to set prices in their primary markets.</p>
<p>Sharing non-protected, non-proprietary information through the U.S. Postal Service or even via email is not protected unless specifically noted in the document or documents sent by the soliciting party. Even then, it may not be protected unless you have given consent through non-disclosure (signature, etc.)</p>
<p>Sharing that information on a loosely organized, voluntary forum of like-minded individuals is perfectly reasonable, unless you live in Russia. I don't think we're there (yet).</p> @Lindsay - No misinterpretati…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2017-01-13:1736041:Comment:13487742017-01-13T14:11:21.796ZCatuogno Court Reportinghttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/JamesLawton
<p>@Lindsay - No misinterpretation here. "I'm saying that we are endangering ourselves and Kelli as the administrator of this website if we start encouraging each other in this public forum to adhere to specific rates - it's called price fixing, and it's a violation of federal antitrust laws."</p>
<p>With due respect to your input.... I think Kelli has responded and doesn't need further (unsolicited) representation. A tiny band of court reporters isn't going to disrupt the national economy, but…</p>
<p>@Lindsay - No misinterpretation here. "I'm saying that we are endangering ourselves and Kelli as the administrator of this website if we start encouraging each other in this public forum to adhere to specific rates - it's called price fixing, and it's a violation of federal antitrust laws."</p>
<p>With due respect to your input.... I think Kelli has responded and doesn't need further (unsolicited) representation. A tiny band of court reporters isn't going to disrupt the national economy, but we could actually preserve our livelihood (for a while) if we aren't wearing blinders.</p> I am confused, too, Lorrie. …tag:csrnation.ning.com,2017-01-13:1736041:Comment:13491682017-01-13T13:17:37.437ZBarbara Memoryhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/BarbaraMemory134
<p>I am confused, too, Lorrie. We are discussing rates, not fixing rates, correct? Is that not allowed on this board? I am new so I am not too sure. But I know it is too all of our benefit to know what the industry standard is (or is not).</p>
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<p>Kelli can maybe join in and advise.</p>
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<p>I am confused, too, Lorrie. We are discussing rates, not fixing rates, correct? Is that not allowed on this board? I am new so I am not too sure. But I know it is too all of our benefit to know what the industry standard is (or is not).</p>
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<p>Kelli can maybe join in and advise.</p>
<p><br/>Barbara</p> Nobody is price fixing. No pr…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2017-01-13:1736041:Comment:13487732017-01-13T07:41:18.609ZLorrie L. Marchanthttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/LorrieLMarchant
<p>Nobody is price fixing. No preferred rates are being discussed openly here. I would never put Kelli in jeopardy. There is no reason that we should not be able to generally discuss rates.</p>
<p>Nobody is price fixing. No preferred rates are being discussed openly here. I would never put Kelli in jeopardy. There is no reason that we should not be able to generally discuss rates.</p> Person from Catuongo Reportin…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2017-01-12:1736041:Comment:13491612017-01-12T23:30:32.033ZLindsay Pinkhamhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/LindsayPinkham582
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<p>I think you misinterpreted my message.</p>
<p>I'm saying that we are endangering ourselves and Kelli as the administrator of this website if we start encouraging each other in this public forum to adhere to specific rates - it's called price fixing, and it's a violation of federal antitrust laws. </p>
<p>If we are in touch with the industry, we all know what the acceptable rates are, and we recognize when someone is lowballing us. I'm just…</p>
<p>Person from Catuongo Reporting Agency:</p>
<p>I think you misinterpreted my message.</p>
<p>I'm saying that we are endangering ourselves and Kelli as the administrator of this website if we start encouraging each other in this public forum to adhere to specific rates - it's called price fixing, and it's a violation of federal antitrust laws. </p>
<p>If we are in touch with the industry, we all know what the acceptable rates are, and we recognize when someone is lowballing us. I'm just saying it's naive to accept a job from an agency without getting that information up front. If you are forced to taken an agency to small claims court for underpayment, showing the judge a printout of their email to you quoting rates and then your paycheck will go a long way!</p> Lindsay is just saying to get…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2017-01-12:1736041:Comment:13489452017-01-12T23:20:25.229ZKelli Combs (admin)http://csrnation.ning.com/profile/Kellicombsadmin
<p>Lindsay is just saying to get pricing in writing so you don't get raped by the agency, which happens frequently, especially over the last 5 years. We are all a little reluctant to work for agencies we don't know and trust without a recommendation. Lots of unethical agencies out there.</p>
<p>Lindsay is just saying to get pricing in writing so you don't get raped by the agency, which happens frequently, especially over the last 5 years. We are all a little reluctant to work for agencies we don't know and trust without a recommendation. Lots of unethical agencies out there.</p> Lindsay - Correct me if I'm w…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2017-01-12:1736041:Comment:13486872017-01-12T19:16:10.181ZCatuogno Court Reportinghttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/JamesLawton
<p>Lindsay - Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have labored for many years under the impression that free enterprise and market based capitalism were the foundations of our national economy?</p>
<p>I'm sure we all agree that a contract is a contract, and must be honored, and that breaking a contract is subject to penalties imposed by law. No one here has proposed anything of the sort to my knowledge.</p>
<p>To be perfectly clear, a business document or correspondence that contains <strong>a…</strong></p>
<p>Lindsay - Correct me if I'm wrong, but I have labored for many years under the impression that free enterprise and market based capitalism were the foundations of our national economy?</p>
<p>I'm sure we all agree that a contract is a contract, and must be honored, and that breaking a contract is subject to penalties imposed by law. No one here has proposed anything of the sort to my knowledge.</p>
<p>To be perfectly clear, a business document or correspondence that contains <strong>a simple price sheet</strong> <strong>may or may not</strong> have contract restrictions. Read it carefully. In many cases a business document inviting services at stated prices can be shared with impunity. </p>
<p>No one is suggesting that laws should be broken, or that contracts or NDAs be violated. If you prefer, put your head in the sand at your risk, but in my view there's no reason to be afraid of bonding as a community with similar interests. Our profession is already under daily assault by the commercial sector, and being divided and in the dark makes it that much easier to destroy our livelihood.</p>
<p>Again, please correct me if you believe these statements to be unfair or legally questionable.</p>