"Sharing" rough ASCIIs - CSRNation2024-03-29T10:59:13Zhttp://csrnation.ning.com/forum/topics/sharing-rough-asciis?commentId=1736041%3AComment%3A996298&feed=yes&xn_auth=no$5.00 pp for rough just kind…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2013-11-28:1736041:Comment:12877842013-11-28T22:15:19.588ZAmanda Leighhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/AmandaLeigh
<p>$5.00 pp for rough just kind of jumped out at me....</p>
<p>$5.00 pp for rough just kind of jumped out at me....</p> I like that, Allen.tag:csrnation.ning.com,2013-11-28:1736041:Comment:12880522013-11-28T22:11:42.860ZAmanda Leighhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/AmandaLeigh
<p>I like that, Allen.</p>
<p>I like that, Allen.</p> Sweet! I drive a 2007 Ford F…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2013-11-21:1736041:Comment:12876532013-11-21T16:54:08.831ZCynthia Dunbarhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/CynthiaDunbar
<p>Sweet! I drive a 2007 Ford Focus (that has since lost its ability to electronically open the trunk. I have to use the key.) Sure, I look nice at the depo - always wear a suit with a conservative neckline bought on super sale at Banana Republic or whatever. But when they see my car (especially at valet), the lawyers are always a little baffled and bemused. I'm like, "Hey, I got my license in 2008. Times have changed. This is how I roll, yo!" Of course, I don't drive the Focus to…</p>
<p>Sweet! I drive a 2007 Ford Focus (that has since lost its ability to electronically open the trunk. I have to use the key.) Sure, I look nice at the depo - always wear a suit with a conservative neckline bought on super sale at Banana Republic or whatever. But when they see my car (especially at valet), the lawyers are always a little baffled and bemused. I'm like, "Hey, I got my license in 2008. Times have changed. This is how I roll, yo!" Of course, I don't drive the Focus to engender pity. It's what I can manage. In fact, I got rid of a 17-year-old Nissan 240SX from high school to get the Focus. Now, THAT car would really mess with them, but the old 240SX is also one that could have actually made the wrong impression - like I'm irresponsible.</p> I wish there was a "Like" but…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2013-11-21:1736041:Comment:12874122013-11-21T05:34:16.054ZTammie Singerhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/TammieSinger
<p>I wish there was a "Like" button on this site! Nice wording, Lisa :-)</p>
<p>I wish there was a "Like" button on this site! Nice wording, Lisa :-)</p> I just say no roughs. I'll gi…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2009-08-31:1736041:Comment:10732582009-08-31T03:53:40.689ZG. Allen Sonntaghttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/GAllenSonntag
I just say no roughs. I'll give you a final and you need it when? Oh, yeah, the final for day after tomorrow is marked up 90%.<br />
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YOu don't have to give a rough. And if the agency complains, tell them to send someone else. What i do and it works for me.<br />
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I just say no roughs. I'll give you a final and you need it when? Oh, yeah, the final for day after tomorrow is marked up 90%.<br />
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YOu don't have to give a rough. And if the agency complains, tell them to send someone else. What i do and it works for me.<br />
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AllenS Hi, Brooke. As I hope I said…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2009-08-25:1736041:Comment:10709232009-08-25T22:10:37.075ZMary Ann Payonkhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/MaryAnnPayonkCSRRDRCCPCBC
Hi, Brooke. As I hope I said on Depoman, <b>there IS no rough draft without a final transcript</b>. If I was working for my own clients, directly for attorneys -- which I do not do -- IF I had my own client and was at a deposition representing myself, Mary Ann Payonk, I would turn to the offending lawyer and say loud enough for everyone to hear, "PLEASE don't do that! You're taking money out of my pocket, and this is how I earn a living." I'd point out the error of his ways for everyone to hear…
Hi, Brooke. As I hope I said on Depoman, <b>there IS no rough draft without a final transcript</b>. If I was working for my own clients, directly for attorneys -- which I do not do -- IF I had my own client and was at a deposition representing myself, Mary Ann Payonk, I would turn to the offending lawyer and say loud enough for everyone to hear, "PLEASE don't do that! You're taking money out of my pocket, and this is how I earn a living." I'd point out the error of his ways for everyone to hear ... <b>if</b> it was my client. Unfortunately, I am always on the record representing a reporting firm, and all I can do, and all I <i>EVER</i> do, is report back to the agency what's going on. Some agencies are very angry about this, and they contact the client to set them straight on not only rough draft sharing, but copy sharing as well. Other agencies I work for weenie-up, shrug their shoulders and say, "We don't have any control over what our clients do, Mary Ann."<br />
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Artificially inflated charges for rough drafts? I haven't heard that one before. I guess they mean because the reporter can write it right the first time for realtime that that rough draft, since it's already done and nearly perfect, should be distributed for free. That's the thing you have to remember about lawyers. All lawyers. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile. Every time.<br />
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M.A. There was a conversation on D…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2009-08-25:1736041:Comment:10708792009-08-25T20:51:12.729ZBrooke A Cowleyhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/BrookeACowley
There was a conversation on Depoman a while back that touched on this, and the consensus seemed to be that it should be as difficult as possible (if not outright impossible) for an attorney to purchase the rough without also purchasing the final.<br />
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<a href="http://www.depoman.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3133">http://www.depoman.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3133</a>)<br />
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As the naive project manager that started that thread, what do you all think? If we made it actually impossible to purchase the rough…
There was a conversation on Depoman a while back that touched on this, and the consensus seemed to be that it should be as difficult as possible (if not outright impossible) for an attorney to purchase the rough without also purchasing the final.<br />
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<a href="http://www.depoman.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3133">http://www.depoman.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3133</a>)<br />
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As the naive project manager that started that thread, what do you all think? If we made it actually impossible to purchase the rough as a standalone product, would most attorneys bite their tongue and do it? Do you think it would hurt your future relationship or chance of purchase? Are they likely to pitch a fit and not order anything?<br />
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On the one hand, the customer is always right... but on the other, the customer is also doing things that are obviously morally wrong (or at best dubious!) by giving your work away for free or using unofficial versions of the transcript to build their legal briefs.<br />
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It seems like trying to straddle the line between making the client happy and standing up for your rights seems like one of the toughest parts of the job. There must be a way for technology to take on some of that headache without getting the attorneys all worked up about the hassle of DRM or 'artificially inflated' charges for roughs... but I haven't found anything that looks like the magic bullet yet. < :/ He's full of hot air. I don'…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2009-08-25:1736041:Comment:10704632009-08-25T00:59:43.839ZKyunghttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/Kyung
He's full of hot air. I don' t give out rough drafts for free. I get paid for them and I'm SoCal. Sounds like he was trying to pull one over on you.
He's full of hot air. I don' t give out rough drafts for free. I get paid for them and I'm SoCal. Sounds like he was trying to pull one over on you. I mentioned this in another d…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2009-08-24:1736041:Comment:10703572009-08-24T23:16:14.264ZQuyenhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/QuyenNDo
I mentioned this in another discussion, but a couple of weeks ago, I had a SOCAL attorney unfailing try to stip away the original. Thank goodness the NorCal attorney refused the stip.<br />
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He asked me for a rough at the end of the depo. I told him, "You're aware that there's an additional charge for that, right?"<br />
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He: "Well, how much?"<br />
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Me: "I don't know. I just know what the firm pays me, so it's going to be more than a dollar a page for you."<br />
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He (with total shocked look on his face): "You mean…
I mentioned this in another discussion, but a couple of weeks ago, I had a SOCAL attorney unfailing try to stip away the original. Thank goodness the NorCal attorney refused the stip.<br />
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He asked me for a rough at the end of the depo. I told him, "You're aware that there's an additional charge for that, right?"<br />
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He: "Well, how much?"<br />
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Me: "I don't know. I just know what the firm pays me, so it's going to be more than a dollar a page for you."<br />
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He (with total shocked look on his face): "You mean it's not free?"<br />
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Me (with a look of total disgust on my face, I'm sure): "Uh ... no. NOTHING is for free up here."<br />
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He: "Well, it's free down there."<br />
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Then he had the audacity to ask me to e-mail him one for free anyway, behind the firm's back. Like, duh, if the firm doesn't get paid for it, neither do I. Why would I want to send you a rough for free? Geez, the nerve of some people.<br />
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It was a wage and hour case. I asked him why he does the stip and does he even realize that he is giving my work away for free, because that's exactly what he's doing by proposing the stip. I said, "That's how I make my money, by selling copies, and you're giving it away." He said he didn't think of it that way. I told him we haven't gotten a raise in over 10 years. He vowed to never do it again ... but he's from SoCal, so I KNOW that's a lie. His answer to why he does it is because the other side will do it for him in turn.<br />
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See, it's the firms' fault for giving everything away for free. It's up to them to change this practice. Or charge for and the the reporter for a full copy when a copy is stipulated away or pay the reporter in full even when the firm decides to give anything away for free. I think that's a great idea t…tag:csrnation.ning.com,2009-08-24:1736041:Comment:10703112009-08-24T23:06:40.332ZSuzanne Stotzhttp://csrnation.ning.com/profile/SuzanneStotz
I think that's a great idea to have Anita Paul go into law schools to give a seminar on court reporting. Maybe then attorneys will know all of the work that goes into producing a final transcript. Attorneys think that when the deposition is over that we're finished for the day we just go home and download it on our computer and send it in.
I think that's a great idea to have Anita Paul go into law schools to give a seminar on court reporting. Maybe then attorneys will know all of the work that goes into producing a final transcript. Attorneys think that when the deposition is over that we're finished for the day we just go home and download it on our computer and send it in.