Comma conundrums & other punctuation perplexities

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  • Quyen

    I would do:

    A) I think he made a good-faith effort.

    A)  Let me hand you group Exhibit No. 8.

  • Janiece Young

    Thank you, Quyen.

  • Janiece Young

    I had a witness who said, "Okay, Hon.  I understand. 

    She was talking to the attorney.  Do you capitalize "Hon"?  "Hon" is short for "Honey."

    Thanks!

  • Kelli Combs (admin)

    Does anyone have a good book about punctuation and English that I can send to my scopist, so she can learn how to punctuate a little bit better?

  • Janiece Young

    Kelli, I really like Lillian Morson's guide for court reporters.  It's easy to find things.  I have an older version so I don't know what the current one is like.  I bought Margie's book too but I think it is difficult to find what you're looking for.

  • Quyen

    Kelli, I stick STRICTLY to The Gregg Reference Manual and make no exceptions. I don't believe in "exceptions" to grammar/punctuation. No Morrison's, no Margie Wakeman Wells or whatever.

    Kudos to you and your patience in training your scopist. :)

  • Quyen

    @Janiece: I would not cap Hon. That makes it look like an abbreviation for Honorable, direct reference to a judge.

  • Janiece Young

    Thanks, Quyen.  I did not cap it.  

  • Kelli Combs (admin)

    Thanks, for your help.  I'll pass these along to her.

  • Janiece Young

    Which is correct, year-end 2007 or year end 2007?

    Thanks!

    During the time period when you took over the accounts through year end 2007 was one of the issues that you discussed on the telephone

  • LeAnne Law

    Year end 2007 in your example. 

    Year-end books, year-end figures, year-end accounts. 

  • Janiece Young

    Thanks, LeAnne.  Sometimes I get a little too hyphen happy.  :-)

  • Janiece Young

    What is the proper way to punctuate this?

    Thx


    I had been involved in the business as far as I was concerned 30 years: 15 years at Pepsi; 15 years at Descartes.

  • Amanda Leigh

    I had been involved in the business, as far as I was concerned, 30 years: 15 years at Pepsi, 15 years at Descartes.

    That'd be the way I'd do it. ;)

  • Janiece Young

    Thx, Amanda :-)

  • Janiece Young

    Should there be a comma after "pay"?


    A. That it was a base pay, plus commission.

  • LeAnne Law

    I wouldn't use the comma, but I'm wondering whether the question would make a difference in how it's punctuated. 

  • Janiece Young

    LeAnne, so you think this is correct?

    A. That it was a base pay plus commission.

  • LeAnne Law

    Yes.

  • Janiece Young

    Thanks, LeAnne.  :-)

  • Janiece Young

    How do you handle spoonerisms? Do they need to be in quotes?

    A. I'm bass ackwards.

  • Quyen

    I don't think it needs any special punctuation, Janiece. The weirdness, or the bass ackwardness, of it is pretty clear. :)

  • Quyen

    Oh, and it's a little late, but I would have done:

    I had been involved in the business, as far as I was concerned, 30 years (15 years at Pepsi, 15 years at Descartes).

    I usually don't use the colon unless there is an "and" between the two, such as:

    I had been involved in the business, as far as I was concerned, 30 years: 15 years at Pepsi and 15 years at Descartes.

    Amanda's punctuation is also fine. Style preference between us. :)

  • Melinda Travis

    How would you start a sentence with p.m.?

    P.m.?

    P.M.?

    or

    p.m.?

  • Janiece Young

    Would you put a comma in between "times" and "total" in the question?

    Thanks,

    Janiece


    A. I'd say, me personally, ten.
    Q. Ten times, total?
    A. Yes.

  • Glen Warner

    The comma looks right there ....

  • Joyce Davis

    Melinda...According to Morson, at the start of a sentence it's A.m.

    Janiece...Your comma looks good there.  It stands for a missing word/words, right?

  • Janiece Young

    How do you punctuate this? I don't know how to do the "approved approved."
    Thanks!!!

    A. From my understanding, the extension, even when you got it back signed from the customer, it still wasn't "approved" approved.

  • Glen Warner

    Hi, Janiece.

    What you have ("approved" approved) looks like the best way to do that.

  • Janiece Young

    What is the best format for this?  Thanks!!!

    A)  Oklahoma, Alabama game

    B)  Oklahoma-Alabama game

    C)  Oklahoma/Alabama game

  • Janet

    I'd say B.

  • Janiece Young

    Thanks, Janet :-)

  • Glen Warner

    What Janet said!

  • Janiece Young

    I know this is a stupid question, but I don't know the rule. How do I know when to use a comma in an instance like this? What is the rule?
    Thanks!!!
    Janiece

    A) Was that a formal written discipline, or was it a meeting such as we talked about before?
    B) Was that a formal, written discipline, or was it a meeting such as we talked about before?

  • Janiece Young

    When "no call, no show" comes up how do you format it?

    I think it should be the comma, but I'm not sure.

    Thanks!

    A)  no call/no show

    B)  no call, no show

  • Stefanie Landa

    How would you punctuate the following:

    My answer is no.

    I would say yes.

    I'll just say no.

    I'm debating between quotations around the yes and no.  Colons before the yes or no or just leaving it with nothing.

  • Tori Schafer

    I'm sure there could be occasions when those would need quotes, but generally speaking, I'd leave them as they are to make reading easier.

  • Stefanie Landa

    I leave it as is when I'm scoping it, then when I proof it, I'm always rethinking/overthinking:) it.  Thanks.

  • Kelli Combs (admin)

    I wouldn't use quotes.  Only time I use quotes in this situation is if the questioner asks:

    Q   Is that a "yes"?

    A   I would say yes.

  • Janiece Young

    Which is correct?

    I think that #1 is correct but I would like a second opinion.

    TIA

    1)  Mr. Smith was giving you dirty go-to-hell looks.

    2) Mr. Reser was giving you dirty, go-to-hell looks.

  • Tori Schafer

    I would go with #2 because "dirty looks" and "go-to-hell looks" are basically the same thing, and in those cases a comma is needed between the adjectives.  If the adjectives don't have a similar meaning, no comma is necessary.

  • Janiece Young

    Thanks, Victoria. :-)

  • Tori Schafer

    You betcha. :)

  • Jean

    How would you punctuate the following?  It's the lawyer asking the witness if his mom might possibly have made the following statements in a certain situation.

    Did your mom say, What is going on?  They're taking our children into protective custody and they're saying that you raped Judy or they're saying that Judy says you raped her, anything like that?  

    I always wonder if I'm supposed to put a colon after the first "say."

    Do you just capitalize the first word?  I usually don't use quotes as this is just speculation.   Does anyone have an answer for this?  I always get confused on how to best punctuate here.

  • Jean

    Okay, I'm looking at previous postings and it looks like it might be okay to quote this type of material to make it stand out.

    What do you all think?

  • Janiece Young

    Jean, can you post an example of how you are wanting to quote this?  I'm not sure.

    Is it all one speaker or is someone else speaking when "They're taking our children" starts?  Is that part of the quote?

     

    Did your mom say, "What is going on?  They're taking our children into protective custody and they're saying that you raped Judy or they're saying that Judy says you raped her, anything like that?"  

  • Janiece Young

    This is a rule I am trying to get in my brain.  I think this should be punctuated this way because you can put the word "and" in between "honest and "off-the-top-of-my-head answer."  Also you can reverse "honest and "off-the-top-of-my-head answer."  So that means these are probably coodinate adjectives and should have a comma in between them; right?

    Thanks!!!

    I can't give you an honest, off-the-top-of-my-head answer on that one.  

  • Tori Schafer

    Just looked it up, and Morson's Rule 46 says you're right about the comma, Janiece.

  • Janiece Young

    Thank you, Victoria.  This is a punctuation rule that I struggle with.  I am trying to ingrain it in my brain so I get it right every time.  :-)

  • Tori Schafer

    Jean, I read it that the attorney is giving the witness options about the mom might have said, so I quote the two options separately. 

    I would do this:

    Did your mom say, "What is going on?  They're taking our children into protective custody, and they're saying that you raped Judy," or, "They're saying that Judy says you raped her."  Anything like that?

    I think a comma after "her" would be acceptable also.

    Morson's Rule 97 states that if you're unsure about where the quote ends, put a comma where you know it begins and cap the first letter.

    This is truly one of those reporter's-preference issues.  If you're not a fan of quotes for speculation, feel free not to use them at all.