How does Mark write words that start with "dis"?

Hi, Wynne.

Mark uses the SD construct:

Disease:       STKAOE-Z

Disgust:       STK*U-S

Distruct:      STKRU-BGT

Distruction: STKRU-BGZ, etc.

Thanks, Glen.....so how does he do "accident"?

Hi, Wynne.

Looks like -BGS!

Note that all these entries are from the StenoMaster dictionary, so he might do something completely different these days.

oh, probably because it's in phrases.  I guess it's possible it's different with the Magnum Steno theory.  Anyone know?

-BGS is too close to my comma stroke.  I guess I could change my comma stroke.

Anyone have any input?

Thanks, Barb and Glen......anyone else?

I have SDEN for accident and SNEX for scene of the accident.

Thanks, Patricia.  That's interesting.

I had tried incorporating -BGS as 'accident' alone, but it has been my -ction suffix for so long, I can't do it.  I do SDENT.  I need to start drilling Mark's phrases on that one tho, as I do like them.  For 'scene of the accident' I add the -D to SDENTD.

Yes, it's my 'ction suffix, too, learned in Theory class.  not sure I could change it.

I am not sure you need a suffix for "ction."  There would always be other letters with it.

Can you give me examples?  A lot of the words I am thinking of are one stroke.  I use -X or *X if -X conflicts.

faction - FA*X

auction - AUX

suction - S*UX

section - S-X  (easier for me than S*EX)

Then there are other words with the NGS, like

compunction - KPUNGS

function - FUNGS

junction - JUNGS

But I am struggling to think of a word you would come back on another stroke with -X as -ction sufix.   I use the -X as accident and it works awesomely for me.  I do have a problem with the accuracy of several key combos that are close to each other and have changed several, but I don't have a problem with the comma and the accident stroke, personally.

Not sure 'I" have an actual example.  I know I use it on different occasions by itself.  I know I created a conflict to 'test' Mark's idea, but it just was not clicking in my brain and I was continuing to do the suffix with it.  I try them, and if they don't work, I ditch them, lol.  I don't want to spend years to finally have something 'click'....or even NOT click.  I give it a few weeks of drilling and trying it out on the job.

One of Mark's best pieces of advice is to always hit the full stroke, always hit as many letters as you can on each stroke, then come back for any remaining letters.  Some people have a tendency to break up words into more syllables than needed, like:

JUX/TA/POEZ instead of J*UX/POEZ

KA/ROT/ID instead of KROT/ID

SU/FAOIS instead of SFAOIS

SU/BORD/EU/NAT  instead of SBORNT or SBORD/NAT

Learn as many briefing principles as you can and how to say words quickly and squish syllables, leave out unaccented syllables, etc.  Learn which letters you can combine. 

I checked my dictionary, and I don't have -ction as a suffix.  Looking through,  I still don't see any words you could use it on.  A lot of them are one stroke, and the others would all have consonants on the second stroke, like

advection  AD/VEX 

benefaction  BEN/FA*X

concoction  KON/KOX 

Sometimes, I have things that are in my dictionary that I don't even use that prevent me from using a really good brief.  So I get rid of them and use the other brief.  :)

I have followed Mark and his principles for years....I know all those rules, lol.  I 'tried' to change, but it didn't work.  He does say to not spend time on changing things that you can't....can't remember where he posted/said that.  But to work on things to improve ourselves that we can 'get'.  I 'do' hit full strokes...I follow a TON of his writing ways and have been working w/his Magnum Steno book for a few years.  LOVE his ideas!

Excellent.  :)

Thanks, Rhoda and Keith.  This is great info.

What about agree and degree?

I use DRE for degree and GRE for agree, short E for both.  I do have a lot of misstrokes defined for agree because it's such a common word and I am bad with G-, especially GR-.  Most of my issues are on my left hand.

Thanks, Keith.  I really like those. 

Wynne, have you looked into getting Mark's book?  Is WELL worth the cost and is a tax writeoff anyway!

I have Mark's first book but not the Magnum one.  And, yes, it's on my list of must purchase, right after StenoCast Red and a Passport writer.

Why change it?  You can use X for more than one thing as long as there isn't a conflict.  I use it for accident phrases and ~ction. 

Well, that's true.  That's a good point, LeAnne.

Mark is supposed to be at the DRA seminar in Monterey the 24th through 26th of this month.  That's one of the main reasons I'm going.  I went to one other seminar and he's amazing.  I bought his book but haven't even opened it.  It's a little overwhelming I think.

I got some great tips from his seminar about a year and a half ago, though.

I went to both of Mark's seminars in Monterey and am now inspired to do more phrasing.  Love the idea of concentrating on all the little words and phrases that come up so you have more time to write the big words.   

I was there too.  He's so fun to listen to.  Amazing how fast he can write and his fingers hardly even move.  I would love to do that.  His book is a bit overwhelming, though. 

Jeff,

What approach did you take to converting?  I've written many many years too....can't figure out where to start except for little things I see pop up now and then.

I agree Mark's system is the best system.

I bought The Steno Master Theory book with 35 Lessons. 

Soon after that he came out with the Magnum Steno series.....so that left me wondering if they were different and if I should not use the StenoMaster book as a guide, thinking that perhaps Magnum Steno has improvements over it.

Are you taking the Magnum Steno book and going lesson by lesson starting at  the first?  Is there a section in the book called Multisyllabic Words?  Is that what you mean?

It appeared to me that the phrase were dispersed all throughout the book so how are you concentrating on phrases?

I'm on Eclipse 5 and, yes, love the autobrief suggestions it has.  So one can buy Mark's dictionary, input it into one's own and then autobrief will suggest it to you as you write?  Is that what you're saying?

I realize this is a lot of questions, but it is just overwhelming knowing where to start.

My main interest is passing the Realtime Exam.  If I'm changing how I write things, it may as well be how Mark does it.  That's what I want to do first, learn what can get me through that test, then work on the other things.

It can't remember what the situation was on Mark's dictionary years ago....it may be that you had to purchase it separately from the book.....I really can't remember now.

Well, we have a lot in common then.  I'm check into the MagSteno.

Jeff,

In Stenomaster theory Mark has "break" as BRAEUK and "brake" with the asterisk.

Same for "new" and "knew."

Does he still do it that way in the MagSteno method?

hi, Wynne

I went to his seminar at the DRA convention in Monterey a few weeks ago.  Go to www.magnumsteno.com for info about the different products/programs he offers.  I really like his idea about phrasing as much as possible so you have more time to write the big words. I don't think I'll ever be ready for his number system, but who knows. 

Hi, Kellie,

DRA is a great group!  Super organization.

Mark has a great way to write the years, too, but it's quite a complex system.....I never did quite grasp all the details.

hmmmmm. interesting....so it's usually I knew or he knew or they knew

sounds like a phrase string I need to learn

Right-Hand Phrase Enders
That Mark Uses
• would not -PBLD
• wouldn’t -LTD
• your *RBG
• him *FRP
• has -FPLTD
• hasn’t -FPLS
• has not #FPLTD
• won’t -RPGS
• wasn’t -FSZ
• cannot -BLGS
• where -RPBG
• when -FPBL
• figure -FG
• figure out -FGT
• spell -PS
• please -PSZ
• explain *PS

can't don't didn't couldn't
I can't KWRA
I don't KWRO
I didn't KWREU
I couldn't KWRU

Small Word Phrases
TPHA = in a
WA = with a
TPRA = from a
TPRA* = for a
TAOU = to a
TPHOUR = in our
TA*EU = take a
TKPWAET = get a
PWA = about a
SA = is a
SA* = as a
TPA = if a
WOUR = with our
HA = had a
AOPB = on a

Very nice, Kelli!  Going through the book and learning stuff, eh?