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Comment by Gary Wolpow on June 4, 2009 at 8:57

Mark,

Several people, Clay as an example (and his mother) have either made changes you like (additional options to your theory) or additions (no one can think of everything) to your theory.

And you have thought up new things.

Are you planning a new book with these items? (Sure hope so).

An idea for you... Maybe create a large looseleaf binder type of item into which changes/additions/edits could be inserted and pages removed if need be. Sell it with those updates and with (over time) future updates.

It becomes an ever changing manual of your ideas.

Just a thought...

Comment by Gary Wolpow on June 4, 2009 at 8:49

I cannot use a metronome; all my effort would go into trying to keep an even beat in time with the metronome, and not with the content of what I'm trying to write. That's why I asked the question.

I've always found it fascinating that people who are musically talented also tend to be good at art, languages, and math -- all of which I can appreciate, but am not good at doing/learning.

Personally, I don't think it's a bar or even an impediment to learning court reporting, although if I had those natural talents, it could be easier.

What do you (and others here) think?

Comment by Gary Wolpow on June 4, 2009 at 8:44

Mark,

Don't know if there would be any potential conflicts, but if there are none, I don't see any reason -z can't be used for both -see and (actually or, not both at the same time in the same phrase) -pain in phrases where appropriate.

What do you think?

Comment by Brenda Rogers on June 4, 2009 at 8:39

I love the idea of "the only" phrases, but TW is my 2000 century prefix. TW-R=2004, TW-N=2009
What was Clay's idea? Maybe it would work better for me. One way or another, you've got my wheels turning on this one, Mark.

I just came up with KHUN for "which one" the other day, shared it on another forum, and all sorts of extensions have come up for that. I haven't checked your book for this sort of phrase yet, Mark. Is that phrase family in there?

Comment by Mark Kislingbury on June 4, 2009 at 8:38

Gary,

Your rhythm question is a good one. I do not have a definitive answer, only speculation.

I find in my own writing, the closer I keep to a "good rhythm," the better I write. Choppiness is erratic (by definition) and seems to indicate hesitation and getting behind.

I have heard some people say the metronome really helps them. I have never tried it. You might try it and see if it helps. I'm not sure how one would adjust the speed of a metronome while someone is dictating, though.

You might try it and let us know your experience with it.

Comment by Mark Kislingbury on June 4, 2009 at 8:31

Gary,

-Z for pain in phrases, if it works for you, great! For me -Z is "see" in phrases, but again, do what works for you.

I have lots of great briefs, and some cumbersome briefs which other reporters are able to improve on. I like to encourage people to think outside the box and invent their own briefs. Clay did a lot of this and did great with it!

By the way, CLAY, last time I saw you at a seminar, you suggested some "the only~" briefs for me. I loved the phrases, but I made my own way to write them, and I'm really liking it:

the only one TW-PB
the only way TW-FRTS
the only time TW-PLT
the only reason TW-R
the only thing TW-FRLG
the only things TW-FRLGZ
the only place TW-PS

Comment by Mark Kislingbury on June 4, 2009 at 8:26

Gary,

Your through/thru/threw I'm sure would work. I never write thru - is that a legit word?

through THRAOU
threw THRAO*U

is how I do it.

Comment by Mark Kislingbury on June 4, 2009 at 8:25

Gary, clever idea on the "and had many"! I like your creative thinking. However, -89 is -LT, not -PL. How about, "and had let"? :) (which I don't write that, but it's interesting nonetheless)

Comment by Mark Kislingbury on June 4, 2009 at 8:23

Gary,

You asked, how necessary is it to use the * to distinguish -F from -V if there is no conflict. I would answer, it may not be necessary. However, if I am consistent, I will never have a conflict. Someone who is inconsistent is going to run into some conflicts later on as they add more and more briefs. For example, for me *UFD = you have had. That allows me to do UFD = you find.

if you have had TP*UFD
if you find TPUFD
if you found TPUFPBD

There are several more I could list, I'm sure. I think it's easier to be consistent on that. However, feel free to leave it out on ones that shouldn't be a problem.

Comment by Gary Wolpow on June 3, 2009 at 19:40

Mark (et al.),

I have no (or very, very little) sense of rhythm. That goes with being tone deaf. I can't keep a beat (with rare exception, and forget singing a tune, with very rare exception, or only with exceptional practice over a very prolonged time).

So, how important is having a sense of rhythm to writing machine shorthand?

And, how do you feel about using a metronome to learn with? Is it valuable or does it ingrane a sense of fixed speeds into something where speakers often vary their rates wildly?

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